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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 9/10/2009The object of a trade is to better your team.  If you're not making your team better in some way, shape or form, you shouldn't be trading.As I've mentioned, I don't know what you're going to do with the cash received but, under my trade guidelines, it should be something that will make your team better. Until you use that cash, I don't know if the value traded is even.  Uneven trades are the ones that should be vetoed "in the best interest of the world".Hope this helps. 

There are lots of ways to better your team Mike. How do you know what someone intends to do with a player when you send him one? You ***ume he will develop him, play him, trade him along, whatever. Why would you ***ume otherwise with cash?
9/10/2009 9:42 AM
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I ***ume he will play him if he's ready, develop him if he's not. If he trades him, I'll be able to determine if the trade has value moving in both directions.I have no idea what you're doing with cash. Will you sign 10 crappy players? One good player? One crappy player? Will you use it all? I don't know. Therefore, I don't know if the trade is fair.
9/10/2009 9:49 AM
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Would you allow the trade of two 5m players regardless of talent?
9/10/2009 9:50 AM
silentpadna
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Looks like you're looking for a "Pandora's Box" of sorts, counsel.

But...

to answer your question, it depends on context.

All things being equal, yes - if it filled both teams' needs and plans as best as I can determine from the outside. There are scenarios you can invent that change that answer of course. That's where individual owners' veto thresholds come in.



9/10/2009 10:03 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tednash on 9/10/2009So it sounds like most of us are in agreement. It should NOT be a HBD imposed rule, but up to each world's owners. And if you disagree with the majority in your world, leave it.Sounds good to me.
9/10/2009 10:05 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 9/10/2009Looks like you're looking for a "Pandora's Box" of sorts, counsel.

But...

to answer your question, it depends on context.

All things being equal, yes - if it filled both teams' needs and plans as best as I can determine from the outside. There are scenarios you can invent that change that answer of course. That's where individual owners' veto thresholds come in.



Not interested in inventing scenarios. I think you and I both know that all 5m players are not created equal. Which is why 5m in cash can be used in all sorts of manners that would make a trade grossly lopsided.
9/10/2009 10:15 AM
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That's absolutely correct. And could apply to prospects/players as well (especially since there can be such radical differences in projections). They could be used, lost to FA, fatigued to the point of injury, all sorts of manners to make a trade grossly lopsided.


9/10/2009 10:24 AM
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The difference between players, prospects and cash is simple. I know the potential(or kinda know) of players/prospects. I have no idea what that 5m in cash could potentially become. As I said, you should only be trading to make your team better. If you trade for a vet, I ***ume he's helping your BL team. If you trade for a prospect, I ***ume you'll develop him to help your team. If you trade for cash, I don't know what you're doing. All I know is you got nothing(if you do nothing with it) or you got something(if you turn it into players). If you got nothing, that's lopsided. If you get crappy something, it might be lopsided. If you got three 1.5m pre-2nd arb studs, it probably was lopsided. I just don't know until you turn that 5m into something(or leave it as nothing).
9/10/2009 10:56 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/10/2009Just as a point of reference, does anyone think Washington could sell Straussberg?It would make sense on their end. They aren't competing with or without him. Straussberg doesn't want to be there. Washington could use the cash to sign 10 prospects for 500k(which would do more for their team than 1 pitcher).It would make sense for the Sux or Yanks. They replenish their pitching. They have the money. I'm sure Straussberg would rather play for a legit BL team with legit BL players behind him.Could it happen?
I heard several outlets mention that the Nats may have signed him to trade him to one of the rich teams next year for multiple prospects plus money they paid in signing bonus back.There was a prospect traded this past year that the team that gave him up got prospects and the signing bonus they paid the prospect back in the deal. It happens.That said I see no relationship between trading money in HBD and MLB. Two different animals.
9/10/2009 11:14 AM
silentpadna
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 9/10/2009The difference between players, prospects and cash is simple.   I know the potential(or kinda know) of players/prospects.   I have no idea what that 5m in cash could potentially become. As I said, you should only be trading to make your team better.  If you trade for a vet, I ***ume he's helping your BL team.   If you trade for a prospect, I ***ume you'll develop him to help your team.   If you trade for cash, I don't know what you're doing. All I know is you got nothing(if you do nothing with it) or you got something(if you turn it into players). If you got nothing, that's lopsided.   If you get crappy something, it might be lopsided.   If you got three 1.5m pre-2nd arb studs, it probably was lopsided.  I just don't know until you turn that 5m into something(or leave it as nothing).


You also don't "know" about the prospects until they develop into something (or tear their labrum). For all I know, the guy trying to gain cash is trying to make a better deal for a veteran. If he wins the competition to land the veteran in that trade, the cash is worth it. If not, probably not. But that's why context matters. There's also inherent risk in trading anything - some things more than others. Risk aversion is different for every owner (or investor for that matter). In your example above, you are ***uming things about players/prospects, but not ***uming anything about the cash. You have one standard (***umptions) about players, and another (sure knowledge) about cash. This seems inconsistent to me.


9/10/2009 11:22 AM
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I "know" enough about prospects to determine if they have value. Unless, of course, you're insinuating that prospects should never be traded for vets. As for the rest of your post, you're speaking of what's good for one owner involved in the trade. I'm looking at the big picture of what's good for the league. I'm ***uming the cash will be used for players because it can't be used for anything else. I have no idea what the owner getting the cash will do.My "***umption" for players is more "sure knowledge" because players have ratings. Of course, I'm ***uming the owner knows how to play the game and utilize players. If he doesn't, he shouldn't be trading until he learns this important aspect of the game. My "sure knowledge" of cash isn't "sure" at all. I "know" it's cash. I "know" it should be used to acquire players that will help your team. What I don't "know" is if the players acquired with said cash is of equal value to the players you sold to get it.Way too wordy but, if you think I'm being inconsistent, I'm forced to explain it like I'm speaking to someone who doesn't understand.
9/10/2009 11:52 AM
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